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justice for ranicia mcbride. that does it for "the cycle." time for martin bashir. >> good afternoon. it's friday, november the 8th. and regrets? he's had a few. >> we worked hard to make sure we implemented it. obviously, we didn't do a good enough job. >> lying to congress is a crime. unfortunately, lying to the american people is not. >> you have seen the anger out there. >> i regret very much we weren't as clear as we needed to be. >> this president is trying to save his political career. >> i am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me. >> are you concerned that people are going to be wondering, geez, what's the fine print he's not telling me? >> his opponents have been lying like mother [ bleep ]! >> most people know that i'm everyday working hard to try to make life better. >> a much stronger than expected october jobs report. >> i'm the president. this is my team. >> we've got to have a president
that can lead and he's not able to do so. >> if it's not working, it's my job to get it fixed. a good friday afternoon to you, and we begin with the president on the road today, and taking responsibility for his part in the economy, jobs and the rollout of his signature health care law. just a short time ago, he arrived in new orleans, greeted by governor bobby jindal, to push for expanded trade and job creation through infrastructure investment. but when it came time for his prepared remarks, the president unexpectedly shifted into a full-throated defense of his signature legislative policy, and problems with that wretched website. >> i promise you, nobody has been more frustrated. i wanted to go in and fix it myself, but i don't write code, so -- we're going to fix the
website, because the insurance plans are there. they are good and millions of americans are already finding that they'll gain better coverage for less cost, and it's the right thing to do. >> and that robust emphasis on solutions extends to the controversy over the cancellation of some policies in favor of new ones meeting minimum standards. in an exclusive interview with our own chuck todd, the president addressed the if you like it you can keep it furor. >> i am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me. we've got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them, and that we're going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this. >> and notice, the working hard to deal with it part at the end of that apology. and the president expressed his hope that americans will remember that an overhaul of a
deeply broken health care system is no cake walk. but then, nothing valuable ever was. >> when you try to do something big, like make our health care system better, that they're going to be problems along the way. i hope that people will look at the end product, and they're going to be able to look back and say, know what? we now have protections that we didn't have before. we've got more choice in competition. i didn't have health insurance, i now have it. >> and speaking of trying something big, how about digging out of the worst recession in a generation? in case you forgot, the president is doing that too. and republicans will be the last to tell you. he's doing a pretty good job of it. with today's jobs numbers revealing an unexpected surge in job creation in october, 204,000 jobs added, about double economists' predictions. that's three straight years of jobs growth for those keeping track at home. what's more, thanks to revisions
previous months have gone even further, and better than we thought. with an added 60,000 jobs that had gone previously unreported. and the president today had a little footnote about something else that's been underreported, particularly in republican circles. >> since i took office, we have cut the deficits in half. you wouldn't know this sometimes, listening to folks on tv. but the deficits are going down. they're not going up. they have been cut in half. >> just cut in half. that's all. no big deal. i want to bring in democratic congressman john yar mouth of kentucky with us from louisville. good afternoon, sir. >> hello, martin. >> did you personally have an inkling that the health care rollout might not be entirely straight forward? >> well, not really. we all figured, i think, in congress that things were going to be running smoothly. that people could readily access the website and get the information they needed. of course, i'm here in kentucky, where we have done a phenomenal
job. and have had great success already with about 40,000 people finding health care they never had before. >> what about the president's promise that those with policies that they liked would be able to keep them? did you ever have an inkling that might not pan out? >> yeah, well, i think early on many of us who were involved in writing the bill thought that he did not express himself clearly enough. that we all knew what he went. and what he meant was that there was nothing in the bill that was going to force an individual to change his or her policy. he didn't say it that way. and because we knew insurance companies cancel policies all of the time. they change the terms of them all of the time. they raise the prices on them all of the time. and there was nothing that we could do, and nothing that the bill did that would prohibit them from doing that. so we always knew that the option would not always be with the individual insured. the insurance companies had power in that equation, too. but to the extent that the
individual had an option to retain a policy, nothing in the bill would have made him or her change. that's what the president meant. he expressed himself in a way that i think created a much broader perception. and that was unfortunate. >> okay. with the great bobby jindal in the audience today, the president called on him and other governors to expand medicaid, as your state has just done. but senator rand paul warned this week, it's going to bankrupt rural hospitals. that's what he says. what's your response to that? >> well, i mean, all of a sudden you're going to have once of thousands of kentuckyions who now have coverage, they can actually go to the hospital so provides will not be bankrupted by providing uncompensateded care as they're doing now to the tune of about $600 million a year in kentucky. so i think senator paul is way off base. the expansion of medicaid only helps providers, including hospitals. it doesn't hurt them. >> congressman john yarmuth of kentucky. thank you, sir.
with me is my msnbc colleague, krystal ball, co host of "the cycle." and josh barrow. krystal, at the end of this week, we have an unexpected surge in jobs numbers. why exactly then is the president expected to flaj late himself and beat himself to a pulp? >> you know, i actually appreciate the president's willingness to come out and say i didn't say this exactly right and i understand that people are suffering. i can -- i'm hearing the stories, i hear and you i'm sorry for that. i appreciate this president's willingness to say those words, especially given the fact that the last president wasn't willing to go in that direction. at you will all. and he's also open to let's try to fix the problems that are here, if people are unhappy with the direction that the law is going and if they're getting worse options under the law than before, let's see if we can fix that. now, on the flip side of this, republicans are claiming that they knew all along that this was going to be a problem. right?
so i would ask them, instead of voting to repeal the law 40 times or whatever they did -- >> 43 times. >> why didn't they propose a fix to this glaring problem they have known apparently all along was going to manifest itself. >> you'll never get an answer to that question. but thank you so much. josh, ezra klein's piece today is titled "obama shouldn't apologize for blowing up the terrible individual market." he writes this, "the real sin would have been leaving the individual insurance market alone. a market where the people who need insurance most can't get it, and the people who do get insurance find it doesn't cover them when most necessary." do you agree with that? >> broadly i agree with that. and i give the president a much harder time than i think you do about this promise he made. it never made sense to promise people if they have plans they can keep them. we have a massive broken health care system. how do you reform a health care system that is massively about
the same health outcome and leaving north of 40 million people. how do you fix that without leaving the health plans. >> josh -- difficult -- because republicans were proposing notions of death panels and all kinds of figure meant of the imagination. therefore, one can understand why we're -- as a policy that applied to 5% of the market, he may have been slightly delicate with the truth. >> but it's more than 5% of the market. there's also a provision in the affordable care act called the cat lack cadillac tax. it is a provision explicitly designed to push employers to change the health plans they offer to their employees. the government wants them to offer health plans less expensive, higher deductibles and copayments. pay employees more in cash and less in health care. and this is a good policy. it's going to put downward pressure on health care costs. it will give people higher wages, which are something we need at this time. but it is a policy that is
explicitly designed to change health plans, which people very often like. these are cadillac, very fancy health plans that the owners of them like. they probably like some money and a smaller health plan better. but, you know, i guess the defense of the president on this is well my opponents were lying like crazy, which they were. >> yes. and they continue to. >> and bill clinton, when he tried to reform the health care system 20 years ago, the thing that destroyed his plan politically -- >> it's taken his wife 20 years to recover from that. >> right. so i think the temptation for the president had to be very strong to say to people, look, if you like what you have, if you like your doctor, your plan, you can keep it. but it wasn't true. and it's going to be true on the doctor part too. for example, in california, the reason the health care premiums are coming in so much lower than people expected is insurers have very tightly restricted the provider network. so your health premium will be low. it will be a good deal. but you may not be able to go to your favorite hospital. you'll have to go somewhere different. i think that's a good policy. but it's not something that everybody who is shopping in that market is going to like.
>> and can i just say, one of the reasons why you're having a situation where some people are getting cancellation notices and some people are having this rate shock situation, where they aren't able to buy the same coverage for the same price they previously were able to is because previously, you could deny sick people from getting insurance. you didn't have to cover them at all. so, of course, it's cheaper to cover only healthy people who are basically not getting sick. >> that was how the market was built. >> right. of course it's cheaper. and so of course there were some people who benefited from that system. and now they are not going to be the quote, unquote, winners in the new system, although they will still have access to good and affordable health care. so i mean, one of my problems with this whole debate, and i agree with you, josh. i don't think the president gets a pass on the language. he could have been more precise. he could have been less misleading. but one of the things that frustrates me as we're having these anecdotes of this person whose insurance costs have gone up, where is the everyone thee for the people who can't get
coverage at all? you said this system? who are literally dying under the current system, who will benefit from some disruption. >> well, here is the empathy. it comes from speaker boehner. >> yeah. >> an apology is certainly in order. but what presidents -- what the americans want to hear is that the president is going to keep his promise. that's why the house will vote next week to allow anyone with a health care plan they like to keep it. is he sure he doesn't want to just hold on for another repeal vote, maybe, or not? >> i don't understand what this means. like, united health care has pulled out of the california market. is the republican congress going to make them reenter the california market? >> are the republicans now going to dictate to private business what they can do? >> yeah, it's especially strange, because republican plans to reform the health care system, when they occasionally put them forward are generally much more disruptive to the health care market. for example, they would completely equalize the tax treatment of individual health insurance and provider provided health insurance which would cause employers to stop offering health coverage to employees.
so i think we do need disruption in the health care markets. it's not unreasonable for a health reform plan to cause d disrupti disruption. but if republicans are saying everybody should be able to keep their plan, they're against any reform. >> josh barrow and krystal ball, thank you. very spirit the opening. rick perry gallops back into the dusk light. but first, a live picture of air force one which just touched down in miami. stay with us. [ woman 1 ] why do i cook? to share with family. [ woman 2 ] to carry on traditions. [ woman 3 ] to come together even when we're apart. [ male announcer ] in stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy and more, swanson makes holiday dishes delicious. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 life inspires your trading. gravy and more, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 where others see fads...
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repatriate foreign-made money at a reasonable tax rate, the american economy would take off. >> he is back! yes, the gop recrimination since the elections on tuesday have gotten so bad that rick perry is offering advice on how to win them. in virginia, the far right is crying into their tea over the alleged betrayal of favorite son and anti sodomy enthusiast, ken cuccinelli. while nationally, every conservative with dreams of 2016 is trying to paint chris christie as, how shall i put it, a zookeeper in charge of the rhinos. and rand paul, if you want that line, it's yours. joining us now is robert costa for national review and julian epstein, a democratic strategist. robert, you recently are the great privilege of interviewing the great rand paul about his foot in mouth disease. what was his tone in the interview, robert, and does he actually acknowledge not only his multiple theft of others'
work, but also the impact this has on his trustworthiness? >> well, martin, i met with senator paul at his office on capitol hill, and he was noticeably shaken, i think, by this episode. he knows that he has had such an assent in national politics since elected in 2010. and this was really his first fumble on the national stage and something i believe he doesn't think will haunt him in the same way plagiarism charges haunted joe biden in 1987, 1988, but still trying to acknowledge the charges. what's most interesting, he did fight back, fought back against the press and his relationship with the press, which i think was once warm, seems to have chilled. >> here's the problem, robert. you're suggesting that he was shaken, and yet in his own words, he described the experience as being in detention, which sounded like he didn't really grasp the magnitude of what he had done. >> i think he is shaken by the attention, he is shaken by this really becoming -- >> oh, well, that's a distinction, robert.
so what you're really saying is, he's shaken by the public aprobe yum and press criticism but as to the issue of multiple plagiarism, not so much. >> that's correct. the way senator paul described to me, he does not believe he committed plagiarism. he thinks there were footnote oversights. he really has umbrage -- takes umbrage when people call him a plajerrist, he just made some citation errors. >> right. julian, where does the tea party go from here, because supporters including rush limbaugh and sean hannity, are very clearly upset at how rough their kooch was created. >> first of all, a quick note. it is plagiarism, unless you put it in quotes and then make the citation. the absence of a footnote. >> correct. that's not a correction. >> that's obviously the right follow-up. i think, look, the -- with respect to cuccinelli, the best thing that could have happened to democrats in the virginia election was for mcauliffe to
win, one. and secondly, for him to win very narrowly. because that keeps in place this argument that is going on, on the republican side, about this rebranding. this so-called rebranding, which i think is -- >> what rebranding? >> it is the biggest joke. this rebranding is the biggest joke since the rebranding of say new coke or freedom fries. but what has happened in virginia, it's kind of a test for the republicans right now who are just arguing that if cuccinelli had had more support, he may have won. and this is from a democrat's point of view. this kind of in fighting is very, very good for a couple reasons. one, the argument -- the principle argument amongst republicans, at least on a policy ground seems if we had just pushed and had more time on the health care debate, we would have won. and that seems to me to be a -- a grievous mistake that a lot of people in washington are overlooking as they read the polls. the polls on health care show that, in fact, obama is winning the debate on health care. if you look at what kaiser did
and you ask people if they like obama care or if they would like to make it stronger, that's about 47%. if you compare that to where republicans are on health care, either going back to the status quo or using republican alternative, that's about 35%. so this in fighting is very good for democrats, because the result is republicans are losing elections. they're losing just about every single policy debate, whether it was the shutdown, whether it is the social issues we have discussed on the show for many years. and now they're doubling down on extremism. if you look at where the republicans said this week on both immigration and employment discriminati discrimination, they're doubling down on stupid. >> and yet, robert, chris christie was mightily successful, and yet appears to have been chastised by so many people within the republican party. for winning. >> yes and no. i think governor christie's 60-point win in new jersey really makes assert himself on the national stages. the lone republican success story this year, ken cuccinelli's own advisers told
me this week that they believe the shutdown republicans in washington, crippled cuccinelli's chances in virginia. and christie now, though he has stylistic problems with the conservatives, they don't like how he embraced the president after superstorm sandy. after the shutdown, after the fiscal cliff, after ken cuccinelli's loss, he is the republican win in 202013, and he's going to carry that into next year. >> from your lips, robert. robert costa and julian epstein, thank you both so much. still ahead, diffusing a nuclear standoff with iran. high stakes talks under way with secretary of state john kerry in geneva. we'll have the very latest.
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kerry and other diplomats from the u.n. security council have suggested a potential breakthrough in negotiations to curb iran's nuclear ambitions. for his part, secretary kerry is tempering expectations, emphasizing a deal has yet to be reached, and that important gaps still remain. any nuclear agreement, of course, would mark a major breakthrough in the decade-long standoff. but is already facing strong opposition from key allies like israel. in an interview with chuck todd, the president downplayed concerns, it may be too favorable to iran. >> if it turned out during the course of the six months when trying to resolve bigger issues that they're backing out of the deal, they're not following through on it, or they're not willing to go forward and finish the job of giving us assurances they're not developing a nuclear weapon, we can crank that dial back up. >> and i'm delighted to welcome my new colleague on this network, roanan far row, whose
own show will debut next year. how did we get to this point? we have the election of rouhani, basically a moderate in june and then a phone call between the two leaders in september and now nbc news reports a senior u.s. official and iran's foreign minister say that a deal could be reached as early as today. i mean, that is fantastically positive news. >> it is something i view as positive news. there are a lot of naysayers out there, but the bottom line is a negotiated means towards controlling iran's nuclear development is going to be cheaper and safer for everyone involved. including israel, and certainly the united states, than issuing a strike, for instance. ultimately, that's something that congress has to weigh and something that israel has to weigh. >> if a deal is reached, does this validate the administration's argument that sanctions are working, and that in effect, rouhani, by making this pledge to his own people that he's going to do anything -- everything he can to lift these sanctions, doesn't that justify the president's
approach, hither to? >> i think it rationalizes both the years of sanctions, which really did create an extraordinarily difficult circumstances for iran, economically. it also validates offering not just sticks but carrots. we have since the election a softening of rhetoric, less designations of violators, leading up to this moment we have now where negotiations may actually be able to yield some fruit. >> okay, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has come out against this agreement. listen to what he said. >> iran got the deal of the century, and the international community got a bad deal. this is a very bad deal. and israel utterly rejects it. and what i'm saying is shared by many, many in the regions, whether or not they express it publicly. >> how does the president of the united states convince mr.
netanyahu and others in congress that he's wrong? >> it's going to be extraordinarily difficult with both of those constituencies. first of all, israel, particularly in the wake of the syria strikes debacle, doesn't trust the united states to be hawkish enough and intervene in circumstances that necessitate it arise. secondly, everyone involved knows that the timing lines up in a way that may or may not be convenient for israel making that case, with the progress that kerry hopes to make on israel-palestine talks. the deadline that john kerry set for those talks will come in april or may of next year, around the same time we would be seeing a negotiation settled with iran if these talks do yield fruit. that means that the circumstances that we're talking about may all hit the fan at the same time. and what you're hearing with those comments from bb netanyahu is him making a sly acknowledgment of that kerry standing right there, saying if you want progress on the israel talks, you need to make some
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from apologies to majplagiam to crack. here are today's top lines. anything you want to own up to? >> president obama apologized. >> you feel like you owe these folks an apology? >> do you have anything you want to own up to? >> i am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me. >> kind of felt good to get it
off my chest. >> this apoll gee falling a bit short. >> the president says he's sorry that he got caught. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry! >> it's not much of an apology. it's an apology-ish. >> i am sorry. >> it is an apology when it is delivered in that way? >> i am sorry. >> an apology is certainly an order, but what americans want to hear is that the president is going to keep his promise. >> i'm sorry. i'm a monster. sorry about that. >> lying to congress is a crime. but unfortunately, lying to the american people is not. >> i'm so sorry. >> we were lied to by our own government in its effort to restrict our liberty. >> we weren't as clear as we needed to be in terms of the changes that were taking place. >> it was not a mistake. it was a lie. >> i'm sorry i lied to you. >> i just think it's a pr thing. i don't think it's sincere. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. >> some say proud, arrogant, stubborn man. >> it's difficult to say you're sorry. >> i can't do anything else but
apologize. [ laughter ] and i'm so sorry. >> have i ever smoked crack? yes, but that was in the past. >> there is another rand paul plagiarism revelation in the news. >> i don't want to be accused of misrepresenting myself. >> also raising increase about his memoir. >> i think we have been sloppy and will be precise in the future. it seems to some like a distant form of apology. >> i'm not perfect. i do make mistakes. >> let's get right to our panel now. msnbc.com national reporter, erin car moan, and zel evena maxwell, and from the penalty box is republican strategist hogan giddily. erin, the president apologized for the small percentage of individuals on the private, independent insurance market who may end up losing their plans, and they may end up having them
cancelled. but do you think the apology will satisfy critics, or fuel them? >> i don't think it will satisfy critics. these are the same people who have been spreading lies, frankly, intentional lies, about the affordable care act, from the death panels onward. i mean, the president hopes, i assume, that it will go away if he just says, i sort of apologize, using the passive voice. but this is not about the truth of the flux that the people on individual plans are experiencing. this is not about concern for them. if republicans were really concerned about people losing their health insurance, they should be demanding apologies from the 11.4 million people who are not getting insurance coverage under medicaid. because republican governors have refused to expand it. they're the ones who should be answering for that. >> wow, okay. hogan, now that the president has apologized for misspeaking and given his promise that the website problems will be resolved by the end of this month, where do republicans go next in their endless strategy
of opposition to the affordable care act? >> well are we're still waiting for results of things he said he's going to do. no mention of bringing sebelius in, and talking some of the strategy of what they're going to do to actually fix this thing. he continued to kind of rattle on and rail on some politics -- excuse me, some talking points that are tired and, quite frankly, he misled the people. everybody knows that. i mean, he quite frankly lied to the american people, and one of the things i found so fascinating the -- i'm sorry was i'm sorry you find yourself in that situation. the i'm sorry is great. how does that help someone who lost their plan? what are you going to do? are you going to keep that promise or go back and allow them to keep their plan? those are the questions we should be asking. because once this apology gets through, pseudo apology, i'll say, once the website gets fixed, what's going to happen to all of these people? the small percentage you just talked about, martin, that are losing their plan, could you imagine if republicans said, hey, it's only 5% of the people, don't worry about it. that's a big number. that's millions of people that he lied to, that are facing a broken promise and now don't
have health care, because of it. >> zel evena. >> i think the apology is the difference between the president and the gop. the gop shut down the government, we nearly defaulted on the debt ceiling for a second time, and then there's no apology. so obviously he streamlined his talking points during the run-up to the passes of the bill while republicans were talking about death pams. i think the president is owning up and doing his job as president of the united states and republicans who don't govern the country, that's the difference between the president. >> the people who have temporarily lost their insurance are going to be eligible for better plans, eligible in many cases for subsidies. there may be a number of people who are going to end up paying more. but they're paying more up front, as opposed to finding out when something bad happens to them. >> and hogan, isn't that true that we've heard michele bachmann say that children, the elderly and mothers are literally going to die when the affordable care act became law, and that doesn't appear to have
happened yet. you goet the point, the lying ak deceit has been flowing from the rivers of republicanism. >> it's flowing on both sides. look -- >> well, i don't think that's entirely fair. >> broken promises, that's just part of campaigning. and that's a sad part of campaigning and one of the reasons so many people are turned off. i understand that the president is now trying to nuance, you know, if the insurance hasn't changed since the plan was passed. well, if has become the new is. because he's trying to nuance something he was very clear about. he ended the sentence with period, it won't change one bit. there is no equivocation there. it is factually true the president made those comments, and he continues to make that -- make that claim. and now this apology is quite frankly embarrassing. you don't get a medal for doing your job. you messed up, come out and say i messed up, now we're going to fix it. tell me how you're going to fix it. that's would we really missed, i think, from the chuck todd interview. there was no fix. >> erin, this week, rand paul
has been exposed as a plagiarizer par excellence. multiple -- every single day, it's wonderful, isn't it? >> and would-be dualer, from i understand. >> what did you think of rand paul's response, where he suggested he had -- that the punishment, as it were, was like being in detention? >> rand paul is acting like the spoiled and petulant child he sometimes resembled. when you mess up, when perhaps your staff copy-pasted from other sources, including apparently in one of his books, what you have to say is, i'm accountable, i'm sorry, and then you move on. part of what has made this a story is, one, there have been a lot of new revelations piling on. he's a man who has tried to style himself as an intellectual leader. but also his anger and his pitch lance. this is somebody who wants to be leader of the party but he can't even be accountable to what happened here. >> hogan, given the standard you just set the president, how do
you think rand paul has performed? >> not well. i think i'm going to agree with the three of you in that room. the fact remains, one of the biggest problems -- >> is rand paul a fraudster? >> he used the word haters, which is my biggest problem. that's just weird, anyway. shouldn't be allowed to. but come out and admit your mistakes, say you're sorry. make the adjustments on the staff. he plagiarized some things. fine. come out and say i'm sorry and move on to something else. him continuing to blame other people and call them haters, that's what's making this continue to go on for much longer than it should. >> selena, your response to that, and rand paul's performance. >> i think, you know, wikipedia, that's the high school -- that's the high school way to plagiarize. so i think that's interesting. but also, he wants to be someone running for president, and this goes to his competence and his honesty. and if he can't come out and say, you know, i didn't have the proper oversight of my staff while they were coping and pasting things into my multiple speeches and books -- he's not ready to be president. >> going to have to answer for
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was co produced by the wounded warrior project as part of its tenth anniversary. it's the first of 12 documentaries and details the struggles our veterans must overcome to reintegrate into society. sunday's film will be accompanied by a one-hour discussion about veterans' issues, live from the september 11th memorial in lower manhattan. and we're delighted to welcome the host of that special, patrick murphy, a veteran of the second iraq war, a former member of congress, and an msnbc contributor. patrick, it's great to have you. tell us in general terms about this special, its purpose, and the event on sunday. >> well, martin, thanks for having me on. and to all the veterans out there, happy veteran's day weekend. >> absolutely. >> 9/11 changed lives for so many. but especially to 2.5 million americans who soon went to afghanistan and iraq. and so that's why it's fitting this veteran's day weekend we're actually hosting this at ground zero to talk about what that
brought upon less than 1% of americans who have gone overseas for all of us. and changed their lives dramatically. >> okay. now, we were talking earlier on the broadcast about jobs numbers. there was the announcement today, and things are looking better. and while the overall unemployment rate for veterans is below that of the national number, for the youngest veterans, it's still about one in five who are unemployed. what is the biggest hurdle for a young veteran returning from theater of war, looking for work? >> part of it is that we train these young americans up to make them the best they can be, and we spend months to do that. and then we have a transition program that before when i got out ten years ago, martin, there was no transition program. but now at least it's three days. but really, we have to start planning it ahead of time, saying if you're going to leave a year from now, where are the opportunities, what industry do you need to get into. so reallyit ate collaboration. most folks don't know it's not the v.a. that runs that or even
the department of defense. the department of labor has the responsibility to make sure these heroes have employment when they get out. >> yeah. republicans often talk about the military in hallowed and perfect terms. but the food stamp program, known as s.n.a.p. has had $5 billion cut from its budget. estimates are that it will cut -- the cut will affect close to 1 million veterans. what goes through your mind as a veteran when a 17 to $20 trillion economy can't sustain food support to people who have served this country, and sacrificed themselves to the nth degree? >> martin, ten years ago i was in baghdad with the 82nd division. my gunman was a private first class from texas. he made $16,000 a year. my other guy was also a private first class. he made a little more because he had a wife, $18,000 a year but a wife and two kids at home. to think we're cutting these young americans through food stamps, eligible through food
stamps, cutting military benefits is just disgraceful. it makes me angry at the government that we don't take care of the folks who have given so much for all of us. at a time, martin, when we have plenty money, we have hundreds of billions of dollars, for missile systems we don't need on the east coast, to build new ones from scratch and other things. but when it comes to our heroes, not going to take care of them, that's wrong. >> hear hear. patrick murphy, thank you so much. and, of course, you, our viewers, can watch the premier of "wounded: the battle back home" followed by a discussion of the issues affecting veterans, hosted by patrick murphy that sunday, right here on msnbc. thanks again. and we'll be right back in a moment. [ male announcer ] a body at rest tends to stay at rest...
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>> you know, when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that is, trayvon martin could have been me. 35 years ago. >> that was a mournful president in july, following the news that george zimmerman had been acquitted after shooting trayvon martin to death in florida. and here's how the dignified, if distraught parents of that unarmed young man responded to the president's comments. what touches people is that our son, trayvon benjamin martin, could have been their son. this is a beautiful tribute to our son. and so as the father of two girls, i would like to introduce you to a young woman who could have been my daughter. this morning, at a christian congregation in detroit, 19-year-old ranicia mcbride was
laid to rest. a promising life cut brutally short in circumstances that have become quintessentially american. this young woman, barely beyond adolescence, had been involved in a road traffic accident in dearborn heights, michigan, early on saturday morning. according to members of her family, she had sought help from a nearby house, because her cell phone had been drained of power. it was around 3:30 in the morning, and she was unarmed. what happened next is now the subject of an investigation. but according to police sources, ranicia mcbride did not damage the property, nor do any damage to the homeowner. but for her troubles, she was shot in the face. and if that wasn't senseless enough, the homeowner is alleged to have said that his gun discharged accidentally. there's been a perfectly understandable demand for a thorough investigation, with protests on wednesday night outside of the shooter's home.
and it's worth saying that like florida, michigan has its own version of a stand your ground law, which allows individuals to use deadly force if they feel threatened. and in the darkness of night, and with a stranger at the door, it's not difficult to imagine how one might feel, one might feel anxious. but it's also not difficult to understand why so many people are wondering if ranicia mcbride had been subjected to a dehumanizing form of racial profiling that denied her humanity in preference to assuming criminality. it's why many have concluded that walking while black or shopping while black or just being a stranger and being black is enough to bring your life to an end. and so, in a nation that won't do anything to stem the use of lethal weapons, we are left only with our hands on the trigger of our consciences, and we have to find a way of saying that ranica
mcbride is not a stranger. she's my daughter. she is your sister. and who would kill one of their own? thanks so much for watching. ed schultz and "the ed show" is next. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show," live from washington, d.c. i'm michael eric dyson in for ed schultz. as ed would say, let's get to work. ♪ good news is, over the past 44 months, our businesses have created 7.8 million new jobs. >> u.s. economy added 204,000 jobs last month. >> employers only added 204,000 jobs. >> that's probably one of the strongest reports this year. >> you wouldn't know this sometimes, listening to folks on